What is this book called 'The BIBLE'-- claiming to be from the Only 'Real' Creator-God --and WHY is it HERE?

A message from 'outside' our Universe?! What for? Can't I just IGNORE this? Why would I believe this?


[Feb 1, 2024]
This set of documents is my ATTEMPT to distill the claims/message of the "Bible" down, for educated readers who might be unfamilliar with its core claims and message.

This might include:

WARNING (sigh): I will be using awkward, semi-pedantic, overly-verbose, borderline-metaphorical, 'analogically inventive' terminology in much of this material, but the readership at this site--secular skeptics, educated 'truth seekers' and 'undecideds', and critical Christian thinkers-- should be able to process it, and get the gist/nuances of my 'tortured prose' (as one reader labeled it DECADES ago)...

But, of course, it is a LONG series (sigh), but I am just trying to be complete enough (for evaluation) to satisfy the intellectual needs of such readers. But an old proverb warns about deciding BEFORE finishing it (lol):

"If one gives an answer  before he hears, it is his folly and shame."
or a more modern rendition:
"Whoever gives an answer BEFORE he listens is stupid and shameful." (not MY translation, though...smile)

Additionally, I considered mentioning that 'humility' might be a pre-requisite to examining this, but that is the wrong category. HUMILITY might be needed when in the presence of a person, but it would be HONESTY that is needed when evaluating controversial material, which might shake one's confidence and/or comfort. Arrogance can be destructive, in dealing with challenging content, as one proverb says: "Do you see a man who is  wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him."
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This is necessarily in two DISTINCT parts:

  1. Part One [This set of documents] -- Do we even HAVE a concrete communication from the 'outside'? I.e. what/why/why take the 'Bible' seriously;
  2. Part Two [TBD] -- Ok, I can take it seriously now (as a communication from OUTSIDE), but WHAT IS ITS MESSAGE to me, that is so important to know/believe?
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What does a 'Bible' look like, if you have never seen/looked at one closely?

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Now the CRUCIAL part

(This is only a stark/blunt statement, not a defense or detailed explanation. The terminology will sound strange, but I am trying to be as precise as possible.): This book (Bible) contains explicit and unavoidable claims to be a UNIQUE and URGENT message / communication from a supernatural, unbounded, beneficent, currently undetectable by materialist methods, Agency/Agent/Creator/"God" [Note 1] to humanity.

This message/book is:


This message-document describes our physically-detectable space-time universe as only a subset of a much deeper/expansive reality, and portrays our universe as situated within the "larger" context of a 'spiritual' reality/realm.

[Note: We are stuck with 'container' metaphors for much of this, with the same level of 'intuitive/vague understanding' -- but no really PRECISE definition -- that we have in describing infinite series of numbers "within" other infinite series of numbers, or infinite sets that "contain" other infinite sets.]

This bible/document claims -- in many and varied ways -- to be a communication from this original/primal Agency-Agent, revealing important facts we would otherwise not know, and possible dangers we would not be able to foresee.

For starters:


Since most of the above is undetectable (mostly) and/or undiscoverable (currently) using the standard tools we have for learning about our astro/cosmic 'subset' universe, we have NO OTHER SOURCE OF DATA about the superset, if it is not Disclosed/Revealed to us 'from outside/above/below'.
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Does this book REALLY make such EXPLICIT claims?

YES--consistently so...

Its writers and the participants in the narratives represent themselves as messengers or conveyors of different (but related) parts of the message, even recognizing how bizarre their claims may seem to their audiences.

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Can we afford to IGNORE this?

NOT AT ALL -- if we have ANY concern for (at least) our OWN welfare...

Needless to say, these claims should be of MAJOR / URGENT concern to ALL humans, regardless of any current beliefs, religious traditions, opinions, cultural assumptions, etc.--especially in light of:

  1. Our inability to verify or debunk this warning of post-mortem danger, having zero RELIABLE pre-mortem access to that irreversible post-mortem situation --[Note 3].

  2. Yet having an biologically innate belief that we will be FORCED to experience SOME kind of post-mortem existence [Note 4], and almost universally having the expectation that this post-mortem existent will be morbid at best [Note 5].

  3. Our inability to plausibly discredit the narrative accounts of this from-outside individual's life and speeches [Jesus];

  4. Our inability to plausibly deny this individual's credibility when speaking about the danger and how to avoid it.


So, this article is designed to help a reader zoom-into these claims, beginning with a discussion of even the POSSIBILITY of such a communication, and some early thoughts on what it MUST or SHOULD 'look like' to accomplish its purposes.

Since this is SPECIFICALLY an examination of this 'bible-thing', I have to use texts from it show this.

Hopefully, the initial logic about disclosure by an Agent/Person/Thing/Group/God/Pantheon/whatever from 'outside' our space-time universe should be clear enough to:

and serve as a framework to situation these details within.

It is currently (and quickly) being revised and expanded (Jan 2024).

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The discussion/discovery so far (and intended in near future):

  1. What exactly does the Bible MEAN by the words "reveal" and "revelation"?
  2. The Human setting in which it would occur
  3. The possible "Other Side" setting from which it might occur
  4. If it 'occurred', what might it look like?
  5. Excursus: How we "process" communication

  6. Other means of revelation other than the Scripture
  7. The Christian revelation in history: the recording
  8. The Christian revelation in history: the recognition of the canon
  9. The Christian revelation in history: the preservation of the data (OT)
  10. The Christian revelation in history: the preservation of the data (NT)

  11. Translation, Preaching, and Theological Development in History
  12. Inspiration and Illumination: What they ARE and ARE NOT
  13. Inerrancy, the Data of Scripture, and the Approach of Honest Faith
  14. Hermeneutics and "Scripture Twisting"
  15. Important Distinctions within the doctrine of revelation

  16. Sola Scripturavs. Tradition
  17. The Clarity of Scripture vs. the "Hidden-ness" of God's Disclosure
  18. Skeptical Arguments of our Day
  19. Skeptical Arguments of our Day-Part II
  20. Course Implications for our Lives


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